, to address these problems. >> and despite their efforts, the economy's actually growing. the biggest problem, though, unfortunately, main street isn't feeling it. how do we have a conversation on poverty? that's a reason why the president's conversation is refreshing because he acknowledged a biggest principles that's holding us back, lack of information with equal education and access for everyone. >> you know, joe, i wanted to share pugh took a look at why are people poor? not surprisingly -- disappointingly not surprisingly, democrats said because of uncontrollable circumstances and 24% said lack of effort. for republicans, it was about exactly the reverse. 28% said uncontrollable circumstances versus 57% who said lack of effort. so, that is, of course, why the fake war on christmas that bill o'reilly is choosing to talk about is, you know, semantics rather than these issues of makers and takers, right? >> yeah. absolutely. and this whole thing of christmas versus holiday really is a distraction. it's a diversion from the statistics that you just pointed out. look. let